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State Police: Two protesters arrested when trying to return the truck used to transport barrels to Milton
By adamg on Thu, 01/15/2015 - 2:24pm
State Police report a total of 27 arrests at this morning's protests on I-93 south at Mystic Valley Parkway in Medford and I-93 north in East Milton Square.
Meanwhile, Easton firefighters report an ambulance carrying a trauma patient to a Boston hospital had to be diverted to another facility because of the blockage in Milton.
While the Medford protesters stood across the highway, their arms locked together, the Milton protesters locked themselves into barrels filled with concrete, with spaces hollowed out for their arms. Milton firefighters used saws to cut them out of the barrels.
State Police add:
As a result of the ongoing investigation, two addition persons were arrested in Braintree as they attempted to return a rental truck that was used to transport the barrels and the protestors to the scene in Milton.
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Police indulged them enough before
at previous media events. I'm glad the cops are finally getting serious about punishing these children. Its bad enough when parents spoil their children - public officials have been doing it long enough.
Spoken like...
...someone who positively DRIPS with privilege himself.
"drips with privilege"
Fuck off. You don't know the first thing about any poster on here. What they look like, where they're from, what they believe.
Actually....
... quite a lot is known (or knowable) about markk**** -- not really anonymous -- and has a rather distinct public reputation in his part of the metropolitan world (briefly a public official, among other things).
Did you know
I share housing with two black people? Ones who work, go to school, don't get arrested, aren't belligerent, aren't armed, and would not try to resist arrest or assault police officers. They are just like people of every color who aren't thugs. Sorry if this shatters any preconceptions of me.
Not really
I doubt that anyone's preconceptions are shattered by the way you self-righteously played the "I know black people, too!" card.
OK then, I'll just change color
There, satisfied?
Dan Rae is mad
Nope
Confirms them more solidly.
erp!
What conclusion would you like us to draw from the rather mundane fact that you "share housing" with two law-abiding black people who don't own guns?
Well, he's a...
...normal person just living his life. As is most of the people in the long traffic line.
Me? Fuck the protestors. It's a cracker factory anyway. They should have jackhammered them out of the barrels. Probably the closest they've come to work all their protected lives.
Sympathy? For the problem of shootings, ya, have a dialogue. For this bullshit? Fuck them.
You never have a drunk barreling down the road when you need one.
Based on the previous poster
Based on the previous poster's comments, both this one and previous ones, I think have a decent idea of at least one or two areas of privilege he very likely enjoys.
Based on your aggressive response, I have an idea of one or two of your areas of privilege as well.
And you're wrong; I can immediately think of at least six regular UHubbers I know in person, with varying degrees of familiarity.
So
You have a "privilege" check sheet. The whole concept of all white people having some imaginary privilege is complete shit.
Spoken just like an angry..
...white person.
One of the privileges is the
One of the privileges is the ability to go through life dumb as a bag of hammers without landing up in jail or on the streets.
Also wrong
Yet unless you're actually interested in learning, not worth arguing about.
Based on what I've seen of
Based on what I've seen of today's protesters, I'd say they're the ones dripping with privilege.
Should note that it was staties not BPD
I think the kids are a little less likely to be treated as truants, based on public statements by Evans and Walsh.
Right on Markk
It should be a capital offense to interfere with the movement of automobiles, to denigrate the automobile, or to advocate for public transit.
Blocking the train is also selfish
and deserving of punishment. Sadly, standing on the tracks in front of a train is often a capital offense.
If protesters blocked a bike path, nobody would really care.
Dog walkers having meetings
Dog walkers having meetings are already blocking the Alewife path in Somerville on a daily basis. Sadly, no arrests are ever made.
Obviously none of them read George Santayana
This a variant on how they picked up the first WTC bombers. It is amazing when just plain stupidity exposes people who think they are smarter than you to be morons. Leave the gun, take the cannoli idiot.
I'm someone who thinks most
I'm someone who thinks most of these protestors are little brats that fail to appreciate how their actions are counter productive to achieving their desired result. That said, I hope they don't get any felony charges. Fines...sure. Some short jail...ok. Part of civil disobedience is taking the punishment for you action. That said, a peaceful protest shouldn't ruin your life as felony convictions very well could.
Story doesn't add up
They decided the guy needed a Level 1 trauma center...so they packed him up in an ambulance at 8 AM and expected to drive the 40 minutes north to Boston Medical Center unimpeded on the SE Expressway at rush hour??
If he had 40 minutes, then they could have driven him to Rhode Island Hospital which is the same distance from Easton and also a Level 1 trauma center.
In another article, the fire chief is quoted as saying they would have made it there in 10 minutes even in rush hour traffic because "people are good at getting out of our way"...Except it's 25 miles from the accident scene to BMC, so to make it in 10 minutes they would have had to have AVERAGED 150 MPH! ( http://patch.com/massachusetts/easton-ma/i-93-protesters-block-easton-am... )
Instead, they settled for the closest ER and got him seen in 9 minutes, just not by a trauma center.
And his excuse for not using South Shore Hospital in Weymouth was that "24 was backed up into Brockton making side roads backed up"...Except the hospital he took him to is *right at 24 in Brockton*! If he made it there, the rest of hte way would have been wide open getting to South Shore Hospital, the hard part was already over!
This sounds like a fire chief who wanted to help push another "ambulance trapped by protests" story.
We need to expand roadways for public safety
is my take away from your post. I agree roads should not be dangerously left under capacity in case of emergency. The dominant choice of transit mode is underserved.
150 mph
That should be the train speed between Boston and NYC.
Vehicle speed - and ambulance speed? Not even on a test track.
Widening roads just means more lanes of backup.
150 mph my tuchas.
We should settle for nothing less than 200 mph, which is at least to the current speed (let alone future speed) of major European trains (TGV, Frecciarosa, among others).
Agreed
Can't beat that ear popping when a TGV enters a tunnel at 350kmh!
Boston to NYC express in 1 hour 15 minutes is a worthy goal.
What's your hurry
Elon Musk is setting up a test track in TX for the hyperloop. If it works you can get to NY in about 20 minutes - maybe even in a private little hyperbubble.
Yeah!
Because building a tube in to midtown Manhattan is ever so feasible. Oh, and the technology is completely unproven.
Other than that (and a bunch of other things) I can't wait.
We need to expand emergency trauma care
is my take-away from this comment. Rather than increasing the number of clogged highway lanes and inducing demand, we should make trauma centers more easily reached by increasing their distribution. The dominant choice of transportation is over-served, and responds to all increases in capacity by increasing traffic.
Exactly what I was thinking
Maybe if we didn't have all our hospitals bought up by three or four massive healthcare providers who then centralize facilities, closing down long time local hospitals in the name of "efficiency" - otherwise known as "profits," then it wouldn't be so difficult to get to a trauma center.
I would guess that everyone has a whole lot of ire aimed at our local sports venues and public events (like Esplanade fireworks) for mucking up traffic and impeding people's progress to area ERs.
"We need to expand roadways"
seems to be your takeaway if somebody tells you the Celtics lost to Atlanta last night
Awesome
Truly 'best of UHub comments' material.
Where's the medflight?
Yeah, sounds odd. If care is needed that urgently in Boston, they'd medflight, no? Good Samaritan is right nearby, and odds are they could have received trauma care at 8AM. The issue with a lot of these ERs isn't that they don't have the staff to take care of trauma patients, it's that they don't have them 24/7. As you say, though, SSH would be faster to get to regardless of the traffic scenario.
Re: "getting out of the way": A real cynic could say that even without these protesters, inconveniencing everyone's commute for one patient because you're not willing to medflight or use a local hospital is kind of a dick move...but I'll leave that level of cynicism to someone else...
It was snowing on and off and
It was snowing on and off and there were clouds in the sky, the helos will not fly in anything resembling poor weather (or really good weather sometime, I've heard "too sunny" before)
Did he need a trauma team?
Lots of hospitals lack trauma centers but still take ambulances. Generally the paramedics make a determination if one is needed and if the patient's case worsens once they get to the hospital they're moved them to another facility.
Too bad there isn't as much outrage over the police using violence as there is about a few hours worth of traffic.
Well, Kaz
you should contact the fire chief and inform him that his story does not add up.
Let us know where he tells you where to go.
Oh, and if you are hold, you should read or reread this very good article on the topic:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/01/15/protesters-block-traffic-sou...
It is not just emergency vehicles getting through, Kaz, but these idiots themselves could of been killed and/or started a chain reaction involving a multiple car pile up with possibly many injured and/or killed.
All for protesting but take it somewhere safe.
You miss the point
Why would I call him? That's your scarecrow to beat up, not mine. I have no interest in confronting him with reality that conflicts with his agitprop nonsense, but rational people attempting to discuss the matter should know that he spread a lot of misinformation. People are looking to rationalize why these protesters rankle them so badly. They'll take any hook to hang their hat on. He's providing one that makes no sense but sounds entirely plausible if unexamined.
Throwing out some guesses.....
usually EMTs call hospitals before hand to know who has open rooms, surgeons ready, etc. plus the patient sometimes gets a choice if his doctor or network is at a certian hospital within the district (meaning you can't have the ambulance go to Hartford just because you want to go there). Also, some hospitals have np more resources for different medical issues. St. Elizabeth's has the best emergency detox and mental health ward for nightly beds, while the BI and Brigham have better ER staff for trauma.
Just some guesses.
Great
Where was any of that information from the chief? Instead we're told BMC was closed to him due to traffic, South Shore was closed to him due to the traffic he transited to get to where he ended up going. Items that don't make sense like a 10 minute travel time from there to BMC. No medflight called in (they had 20 minutes while they extracted him from the car).
And all of this announced via a semi-cryptic Facebook post from the Union's page (with an odd disclaimer that this was the "opinion of individuals not even the whole union"). Which got picked up by local media and turned into an interview where the chief (and everyone else) gets to blame the protesters for this ambulance going to the closest hospital instead of Trauma 1 downtown, 25 miles away.
Sure, there are lots of specialty reasons you might go to one ER over another, but those weren't given here...while anything else but that was given for why it's the protesters at fault instead.
I'm Not Listening
to facts from a trauma care transport specialist when I can reach a conclusion based on my own opinion, thank you
If you look at the Herald
If you look at the Herald articles, they put a lot of emphasis on "OMG, ambulances were diverted or taken out of the system". Yeah, this was a stupid stunt, but it's not like 93 would've been a nice free-flowing highway without the protest. Way to sensationalize.
Oh... so you're a doctor now!
Oh... so you're a doctor now! WOW!!! The man was 83 years old. Why don't you call his family and let them know your EXPERT medical opinion on why HIS life didn't matter. The arrogance of you and the others judging whether or not it was worth this gentleman's health for a stunt pulled by well-off white kids that DOES NOTHING FOR BLACK LIVES is off the charts.
Doesn't follow
Nothing I said requires me to be a doctor. I didn't say his life didn't matter; everyone's life matters. I'm completely agreed with the idea that they wanted to get him to a Trauma 1 center and settled for a community hospital. This isn't a tradeoff of lives here. I asked questions of the fire chief and fireman's union's statements whose claims seem unsubstantiated that they couldn't get this man to the right hospital due to the protests. I can't help you if you can't differentiate that from whatever nonsense you are on about.
His life didn't
matter to you.
Also doesn't follow
Explain your conclusion.
Re: Ambulance
I hope the person they were transporting to the hospital is OK.
It's not unheard of for a major road like this to be closed due to an unexpected accident, emergency construction, severe weather, etc. You never hear about ambulances being diverted though obviously they'd need to be.
Did the protesters block the shoulder as well?
In East Milton Square, there
In East Milton Square, there really isn't a shoulder. They had their concrete barrels in the left and right lanes.
A white SJW, protesting
A white SJW, protesting treatment of black people by cops, getting hauled in by a black Statie.
Good Point!
Well, I guess this shows there isn't really a problem with police violence or minority relations in the country.
Next time someone is shot make sure to show them this photo.
Nice dreads, dude.
n/t
Did you see the statement?
The deployment of white protesters on the barrels was a deliberate choice.
White Guys With Dreads
So now we know what the singer of the Counting Crows has been up to lately!
Counting Crows??
You wanna know how I know you weren't here in 2007?
2007
Kaz, there is NO WAY that is the guy who scared Menino into thinking his Lite-Brites were bombs. The protester guy from today is much younger & chubbier than the Lite-Brite/Artist/Fake Bomber guy from 2007. Was his name Dribbles? Dribbler? You are right though, I was living in Oakland, CA in 07, but my family was always here & I kept up w Boston news online.
Just sayin'
If you're gonna go to Adam Duritz instead of Peter Berdovsky in your mind when you see that picture, you obviously aren't asking hair questions.
It would be interesting to
It would be interesting to hear the opinion of the black cop arresting the white kid who feels that he is so superior that it takes his white self to let everyone know that he has decided that black lives matter. Sorry kid, you are a little late! It was your parents' generation who actually protested and made a difference. What a slap in the face to people who take this issue seriously. But, like, OMG did you see how my face is all over the news! I'm so trending on twitter while shitting my Depends!
Forget the pepper spray or taser.
Hit him with some soap and shampoo.
This does not look to me like a Straight/Single Jewish Woman
The perfect storm
Protesters, arrests, social justice issues, the fire department insisting an ambulance was delayed, AND college-age white guys with dreadlocks? Strap on your angry-white-people hats, boys and girls, we're taking this bad boy to 400 comments.
Was the rental truck
that was returned the one parked on the expressway or another one? I would assume the one on 93 would have been towed or at least inaccessible to the two people who attempted to return it. Maybe they drove in two trucks?
strange that anti-cop
strange that anti-cop protesters were waiting to be rescued by cops...
93 Protests yesterday
Put me in the corner with the people who agree that there needs to be reform when it comes to how the police interact with black people in general but don't think that these protesters are doing anything to advance that cause. Anybody who has seen the video of the cops in Staten Island choking the guy for selling loose cigarettes as well as the footage of the grieving parents of Michael Brown & Trayvon Martin & others (regardless of what they may or may not have done leading up to their deaths, these parents have lost children which is unimaginable to me) and doesn't feel any compassion towards them at all is lacking a portion of their soul. That said, I don't understand what blocking MBTA trains & 93 during rush hour & interrupting brunches & Christmas Tree lightings etc is going to do to rectify any of that, especially if you are going to pass up an opporitunity to have a sit down with Mayor Walsh, who by all accounts is waiting for a phone call leading to a meeting with them. Such unconventional & seemingly obnoxious protest methods seem to be in fact toxic to the cause, having the effect of turning people against them who would otherwise be sympathetic to the greater message. Some people have compared the BLM/Occupy protestors of recent times to MLK & the Civil Rights movement in the 60s, which I can't really see at this point. The protestors today might very well have the best intentions, but they seem at this point to be completely devoid of any kind of focus, leadership, or strategy.