Here's my take.
Agencies:Risks- can't communicate with your chosen lady prior to meeting, less personal, must choose based on a third party recommendation, higher probability of trouble if busted, higher probability for B&S, higher probability for upselling Benefits- only have to give info to one person yet have a variety of choices, once they get to know you, it works very well, always easy to find new ladies, higher probability for recourse if you're not pleased with your experience What more would you add? Do you disagree with any of my presumptions? If you were famous or high-profile, would you go with an agency or an indy?
the ability to make appointments on short-term notice -- same day, within an hour sometimes. I often dont know my schedule in advance and in particular dont know my mood in advance. It is hard to schedule like that with indies. They dont like do that, sometimes they are offended by it, and I can understand why it does not work for them. But for agencies it does
I hadn't thought about that! Definitely important.
I like agency prostitutes. There is no drama like with many of the indy prostitutes.
I never see the agency prostitutes whining about scores or anything on here. Just the indy prostitutes.
The agency prostitutes also don't pretend to fall in love with the johns. I don't see the johns posting their I fell for an agency prostitute on the board. So the johns don't fall in fake love with the agency prostitutes.
Maybe the johns will wise up and stop paying the indy prostitutes for pretending to like them.
Agencies:
Risks- can't communicate with your chosen lady prior to meeting, less personal, must choose based on a third party recommendation, higher probability of trouble if busted, higher probability for B&S, higher probability for upselling
Benefits- only have to give info to one person yet have a variety of choices, once they get to know you, it works very well, always easy to find new ladies, higher probability for recourse if you're not pleased with your experience
What more would you add? Do you disagree with any of my presumptions? If you were famous or high-profile, would you go with an agency or an indy?
Good point bbfs4ever No drama. no whining about scores.John don't fall in fake love.Prostitutes pretending for johns.
I never see the agency prostitutes whining about scores or anything on here. Just the indy prostitutes.
The agency prostitutes also don't pretend to fall in love with the johns. I don't see the johns posting their I fell for an agency prostitute on the board. So the johns don't fall in fake love with the agency prostitutes.
Maybe the johns will wise up and stop paying the indy prostitutes for pretending to like them.
Agencies:
Risks- can't communicate with your chosen lady prior to meeting, less personal, must choose based on a third party recommendation, higher probability of trouble if busted, higher probability for B&S, higher probability for upselling
Benefits- only have to give info to one person yet have a variety of choices, once they get to know you, it works very well, always easy to find new ladies, higher probability for recourse if you're not pleased with your experience
What more would you add? Do you disagree with any of my presumptions? If you were famous or high-profile, would you go with an agency or an indy?
I'm falling in love with an agency girl. She is giving me special treatment and so much more time. She will tell the agency we are done when in fact, we haven't even started yet.
by my name rather than "my 5pm John".
One advantage would be should a provider have to cancel, then the agency should be able to supply a "plan B" without any additional screening.
as excited about meeting an agency lady as they do independent ladies?
I think yes., they're just as hot. But if you like her, you'll have to repeat right away a bunch of times, as many AGs have short tenures and they're gone. If you're hoping to have a longer term ATF, chances are low.
Great Ones
Good Ones
Lousy Ones
80% of the agencies I have patronized have fallen in the Great/Good zone. Lousy ones I only use once. YMMV though. Current Agency I use I am very happy with. They are discrete and professional.
Last year I did have an issue with an Agency; the male owner/operator and I never really clicked. Used his service 2 or 3 times. After that, whenever I wanted to book, my choice was either booked, had a 3 hour minimum, yatta yatta yatta. This happened a few times, and he came across as arrogant. Finally I had enough and told him that His service was not the only act in town, (True), that I do not have trouble finding entertainment, (Even more true), and last but not least I would never attempt to book with his service again! (100% true)! I have maintained my word because I am a successful business man with a very high self esteem. NEVER MEANS NEVER.
Sorry to ramble
agencies can also go bad. Do you know if guys ever get blackmailed by agency owners?
In this case no, there would not be any reason for me to have been black balled by any agency. As I mentioned earlier, I use 2 of his competitors, one which is has just as good a reputation.
I never asked the operator why I was having such a difficult time booking, did not want to give that arrogant a**hole any satisfaction. I do not have a PH.D., I graduated College Magna Come Lousy, but I am smart enough to know when I am being messed with!
Truth is that in my geographical area, supply far exceeds the demand. Plus when I want to gravitate toward Indy's I have 15 we have met confirmations on P411.
Some pricks just enjoy being Pricks!
I have not heard about men being black mailed, but I am sure it could happen.
but it's very rare and only happens with low life agencies, barely a half a step up from being a pimp.
You can check the reviews for every girl working for an agency here just by searching "by agency" and that will give you a general feeling about the quality and reputation of any agency you might be considering using.
because indys get scored here, we put more effort into our sessions,our reputation is on the line,we cannot keep on fucking up and treating clients poorly
agency girls will just change an agency or change name and pictures
TER makes no distinction between an agency girl and an indy in terms of getting listed and having reviews. Sorry.
most agency ladies care about their reputations? What percentage would you think are in this longer term vs in this temporarily for quick money?
First of all, a crappy review affects their biz just as much as an indie. It also could piss off their boss. And most agency girls want to go indie at some point and bad reviews will remain on their profile unless they re-invent themselves.
IMHO agencies are fine and the girls are pretty much the same. The only downside is agencies are a bigger target for Uncle Leo and if they haven't destroyed guys' info, it could be uno problemo.
any half way decent agency has more invested in both time and money building a rep than any independent lady. So yes, both the working girl AND the agency have a stake in keeping their good reputation intact.
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying agencies are better than indies, personally I prefer indies because they set their own rules and I don't have to worry about that inevitable phone call 55 minutes in, and if I "click" with a lady I don't have to go sneaking around if her and I want to carry on an all day texting conversation. But agencies most definitely serve a purpose, short notice appointments, having a Plan B in case your indy pulls a no show, and having someone available at most hours of the day or night are just a few of the advantages of using an agency.
but in my 10 years, most/many agency gals I've met care about their reputation and reviews. It does seem that more indys are in it for a
longer term and also have career/business goals outside of the hobby, currently or in the future.
But you can say that about AGs too. No way to measure/compare.
I know many agency girls that put more into a session than many
indys;
They do get scored here and their income depends on scores as much as indys;
Poor agency performers get bounced from their job for poor performance much easier and more often than a weak indy performers quits;
AGs certainly are easier to book most of the time ... sometime that is the most important element in hobbying. Less frequent NCNS or double book, less mistakes and lrss false apologize for the mishap. Less frequent with AGs
Caveat ... we're talking reliable or primo agencies ... there are many
I don't see how it's only the agency provider that could play the game of changing name or pics so I don't see that being a strong argument. Moreover, Agencies have as much incentive to maintain whatever their target level of quality might be so they would police the providers that are not up to that level.
Moreover, I suspect most hobbyist have their own back channels, and the regional forums, to identify providers who are changing their names and images while not changing their service.
agency girls will just change an agency or change name and pictures
here, but I think you bring up good points about independent ladies making more of an effort to cultivate relationships. I think I have a perception that most ladies who work with agencies are not in it for the long run; they are more likely to be in it for short term gain and therefore do not put as much effort into garnering long-term clientele. I think the few who do, such as Ava St. Claire, eventually become independent.
Now that's my perception- I have no idea if that is the reality or not.
One could easily agree with all you say. I do
understand the business part of P4P. Things like screening, advertising, marketing, etc. need to be learned otherwise the new lady will not succeed on her own. True, some new providers are able to find an established lady who will "take the newbie under her wing and teach her the ropes.
Bait and switch a couple of times and one who would literally do nothing. Yeah, yeah, don't pay, don't reward bad behavior, etc. but some of us can't afford a scene. This is obviously before I knew about TER or places where I could post and at least warn others. Have I had a good time with all indys? Shit, no, but I have never felt scammed.
experiences. I wonder if agencies' reputations have anything to do with their locales? For instance, London is a place that agencies are more prevalent than elsewhere I've worked. The agencies in London are really competing with each other, and so most (not all) tend to be very reputable. But I have heard that certain cities in the US are known for scam agencies, and that people are better off avoiding them in those areas. In which case, your agency's location may have affected the service. I get the feeling that some agencies are just some dude hawking a few women he's managed to manipulate into thinking they need him to make money
I mean, getting to the hotel and picking the biggest ad for escorts from the Yellow Pages without any research is pretty fucking stupid 😄
Something about dealing with the "owner" that I like. Also where I'm from it seems like agencies are always on LE's radar.
And everything she's told me about it just gives me more reasons to avoid agencies. I want willing women who set their own hours, standards and limits. In other words, they won't be run ragged and will be "all there" on our dates.
I want anyone I see to be 100% in charge of the decision on whether she will see me or not. Number 2 reason is that agencies are a juicier target for LE.
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