Wall on Adderall
Every generation in America has had its drug of choice. Some vices are specific to certain industries. Wall Street is a good example. For a long time it was the prime brokerage for the upscale sugar market.The drug of choice seems to have changed over the past decade, however. Today's Wall Street vice of choice seems to be something nobody would have expected back in the 80's and 90's...
Prescription drugs have taken over the bullpen. Many a cubicle junkie has replaced his favorite dealer, with his favorite doctor...providing them with prescriptions to legal drugs which are often consumed in copious amounts.
In this fast-fix field, the dominant player seems to have emerged and cemented its hold at the top of the neo-narcotic food chain. The interesting thing about it is that I am sure many of you guys don't even consider it a drug. Not in the way I am implying, at least.
The Brave New World of Adderall
It was about a decade ago, that I had my first experience with Addie.I never tried it but was witness to its proliferation on a small scale. It was still somewhat of a secret in those days, people tiptoed around using it and the black market for it was thumping. I roomed with two Wall Street guys and a newly minted JD. These guys were up all hours of the night, reading, preparing, studying, reviewing. They needed to stay sharp. They needed something stronger.
At the time I was prone to fun. The sort of fun that would last for days on end without much sleep. I'm sure you can imagine my surprise when I started to see three coke head-ish characters roaming around the triplex at odd hours of the night and through the early morning. I mean...I could have sworn these guys were WINNING rails of BNSF magnitude, but they weren't. It was something else.
They were all really straight edged dudes. None of them had ever even smoked a joint before. They'd pound some beers with me on the weekends, but by and large they were calm quiet kids. Now the two finance geeks were grinding their teeth, sweating like war pigs and scratching like they had lice. One of them even shared with me a story of how he managed to get a three month's supply of Addie in exchange for some stock tips. The lawyer was stomping around smashing his fist into his palm muttering The Restatements to himself. It was surreal.
Over the span of a year, we grew estranged. They tweaked me out and bickered amongst themselves like old hags. I partied like I always had and was pretty much the same old douche I had always been. You might have found my dookie drawers in your left over pizza box or your girlfriend under my bed, but my persona was basically the same. All three of my roomies, however, had become despondent and cold. Their focus on work became robotic. Their ability to relax and have fun disappeared. They were literally... different people.
Eventually we all moved out and never spoke again. My last recollection of them was that of frigidly stoic expressions, deep raccoon like circles around the eyes and putridly greasy palms that could fry onions on contact.
Since I still haven't tried Adderall and likely never will, I'm curious as to the experiences you guys have had with it. I know that many of you are huge proponents of its benefits. Tell me if you think my story is an outlier? Do you see Adderall as a dangerous drug or something that can be controlled?What have your experiences with it been like? Is it the Wall Street drug of choice or am I imagining things?
I pop it on the weekends to study for the gmat. In all seriousness I fucking hate addies but it helps me really focus hardcore on studying. My fiance, on the other hand, is addicted to that shit I swear! I remember the 1st time I took it about 6 years ago and pulled an all nighter. Worst 2 days of my life! I took wayyy too much and thought my heart was gonna explode!
As soon as I'm done studyign for the gmat I'm never taking that devil drug again!
Its difficult to understand if you havent tried it. Imagine the most focused, in the zone you have ever been working on something. Adderall makes you feel pretty much exactly like that. I've had a script since I was young and have unfortunately become very dependent on it to study. I would say, for me, I get as much done in an hour on adderall as I would in 2-3 hours without it. Also, another factor to consider: it keeps you from burning out... I can study for 10 or 12 hours without much drop in efficiency and can ultimately work on the same thing for 20 or more hours straight.
In my opinion, it is nothing less than a miracle drug.
Famous last words.
Doc, you took the words right out of my mouth!
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It brings me up, makes me feel good and I can study like a maniac.........just until I crash and feel terrible, depressed, etc.
Without deviating too much form the subject at hand, I think we should open this up to ADHD drugs in general...There are quite a few of them out there that provide similar effects without the jitteriness txjustin might be experiencing. A few of them are vyvanse, concerta, strattera...With that said, its amazing but definitely overprescribed in the U.S. I just hope enough testing has been done to ensure there arent any severe long term effects of taking such a stimulant on a regular basis.
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Never had any of these drugs.
Midterms week and finals week, it can prove to be useful. Other than that, I've noticed people who do massive amounts of Adderall, get a little neurotic.
I've heard impressive testimonials about Concerta for studying and Modafinil for extended periods of sleep deprivation. Don't know as much about Adderall, though.
Adderall is like steroids for nerds. Doing drugs for the sake of working more seems like the ultimate in retardedness to me.
You guys do realize that Adderal is just controlled release amphetamines right? You are just taking a controlled form of speed. It is not good for your body and can do some serious damage to your heart and brain in the long run.
My friend used to take Modafinil which is what they give to fighter pilots, that shit makes Adderal look like skittles.
You do realize there is a difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine, yes?
Adderall is great for me. I know some people have bad side effects/come downs but it doesnt really phase me, other than having to piss like a racehorse. My doctor literally thinks everyone should take it.
The only downside is that if you deviate from your studies/work...you will become focused on time-sucking internet or whatever. Also could kill us all long term.
They are both neurotoxic in the long term, but yes meth is much worse.
Amphetamine is the true name for the recreational drug speed.
Is it evil like those evil automatic weapons awm? Haha, just messing with ya bud. yes, I know what they are. I am well versed in almost all things drugs. I never got into them, but had a lot of friends that did and I did tons of research because of their actions.
"I don't even notice that my empty life is being pissed away underneath florescent tubes..."
http://www.youtube.com/embed/S0ZKH2PGA8g
You know that new movie Limitless? It's basically about Bradley Cooper on Adderal.
Was helpful in school for studying, and when studying for Series 7 & 66 I took it also. I don't take it for work... party b/c I don't have a prescription and it's harder to come across in large enough quantities to use it regularly. Agree that it really, really helps to stay focused. 10 or 15 milligrams is enough for me for a 5 - 6hr study session.
For those who haven't taken it, I compare it to the "buzz" you get after the first few drinks of coffee but lasting for 5+ hours. Too much will make your heart race a bit. I never took it after ~6pm b/c it would make it more difficult to fall asleep even after a long study session. Don't think I would take it daily even if I had a prescription for it... but for studying, I will.
Maybe its happening in private, but I haven't seen adderall since college...
Honestly, I have never seen widespread use of drugs on the street. In the 80's maybe it was widespread, but these days def not. There are definitely guys that use, but its all done on the low, and outside of a work context-if someone ever threw some lines out at a client event, I am pretty sure the entire group in attendance would be thrown out on their ass- the reputational risk to the firm is just tremendous.
Correct me if you feel I am wrong, maybe S&T still has a little of this going on...
Well most people I work with have tried various things in the past (that is at least what I gather from conversations we have had) but I don't know anyone who uses drugs to improve their work performance with any regularity.
It's not like people who take adderrall are heading to the men's room every hour to rail a few lines. I have a script and I don't tell anyone I know that I have one. I keep it DL because 1. people may think either you're an idiot if you have ADHD (I'm not an idiot, just easily distracted), 2. You're weak for needing it or 3. you have some kind of drug habit.
I only take adderall for school and work, and I only take moderate amounts. The downside of adderall is it can make you a little neurotic and it dehydrates you. Neurosis/cotton mouth can make for normal conversation a little difficult. You have to force yourself to eat and drink a lot of water.
I don't take it when partying. It shrinks your dick and the magnifies the hangover.
I'm not from America... whats ADD? jk, but seriously
Addies are a life saver. Don't use it much at all (don't want to get addicted or have the effects lessen), but it's a great study/work aid. If I take a 20 XR I'll study from 9am to 9pm only taking breaks for a smoke.
You can become addicted to it, but if you use it in moderation it can be a great boost to your school/work life.
PS- Fuck da FDA. ;)
Random questions for all you guys who use Adderall as a performance enhancing drug: Do you ever feel like, "Hey, I don't need this thing. I can compete with everyone without it."? Seriously, I'm not trying to be judgmental, but I'm honestly curious if there's any loss in pride or confidence from successes that come when under the influence.
I've never taken it, but I read how efficient you guys are when you're on it. I want some.
And that is kind of sad.
If taking adderall causes you to lose confidence, you never had any to begin with.
And yes, in S&T...drug use is widespread....on both the client and broker side. Not at work, but definitely after hours.
I've only taken adderall a couple times, but I do think it helps. Gotta be careful though, the only drug I've been addicted to is nicotine and I'd like to keep it that way.
I'm gonna be trying to get into Ross next year from LSA so I dunno, maybe we'll meet again...
My friend died from Adderall two months ago
Sorry for your loss. Would you mind telling us more about it?
Sorry for your loss. Adderall in large amounts can definitely throw your cardiovascular system off. Especially if you combine it with lack of sleep and alcohol or any other depressant.
Midas, I just wanted to use this post to publically let you know how much I think your articles have improved. I remember when you first started writing I would think of how shitty I thought your writing skills were and simultaneously hope patrick would fire you. I have come full circle and I really enjoy reading your thoughts, questions, and the ensuing discussion.
As for addys, I have never tried so I have nothing to add. However, my school's library has more of it than a Merck warehouse come finals week. The best thing I find for focusing is eating right.
never ever pop an adderall and get on wso or thechive before doing work while you wait for it to kick in. ever. you will not do work.
^^This is very true. I've had to put my laptop in the other room or I'll continuously refresh WSO hoping for a new post.
I might take addy if I have a ton of mind-numbing repetitive work to get through. Banging it out in 12 hr increments is easier than prolonging the agony. But for situations requiring high level thinking I strongly dislike it, I feel like it kinda short-circuits the brain and gets it going in a loop, so you are super productive, but produce a bunch of low-grade crap.
I already smoke like a chimney, and ive been doing that for 9 years, I am not getting into any new stuff.
Oh and I would def. agree with cash4gold, good diet makes a huge difference in mental acuity and general well-being
The Spice extends life. The Spice expands consciousness. The Spice is vital for space travel.
Never done Adderall. This thread pretty much makes me want to keep it that way! Whatever floats your boat.
Never done Adderall b/c I don't want to become dependent on it. Couple of my friends use it and there's no doubt that it helps a lot, but I'd rather keep it natural.
I've taken Dexedrine, Adderall, Concerta, Focalin, Vyvanse...et al.
I find Vyvanse to be the most effective for me. I took it in college during exams or if I had a ton of studying (aka cramming) to do. I have Vyvanse prescription now, and take it before work fairly often. If we have a slow period as we are currently, I lay off and don't take it for a few weeks. However when there's a lot to do, I pop one either right as I wake up or about 5 minutes after I get to work and it keeps me going all day, especially if I'm just sitting in Excel or doing mindless pitching work. You almost get excited about how efficient you are, and there's a big of a high for the first few hours. It also increases my desire for nicotine; I usually dip when I'm on it. Tends to wear off after about 12-14 hours, so if you work longer than that it won't last the entire duration of your workday.
I know I'm not the only user either; almost all my friends who work at BB banks take it religiously. It increases productivity and cuts boredom and distraction to such a degree that it's sometimes a wonder I got anything done beforehand. It's a great drug for those in IB type roles, or anyone working long hours doing repetitive/boring work. Can't comment on long term side effects though...
Definitely makes normal conversation more difficult, as it makes you slightly irritable and all you want to do is whatever you've been focused on all day. My girlfriend definitely always knows (and no not that way, before the lewd jokes start) when I've been taking it because I'm just slightly pissed off. Definitely get hunger suppression and cotton mouth, but not nearly as bad as Adderall.
I've done them all too, can agree 100% with the irritably. My roommates know to avoid distracting me once I pop one. Wont eat for a day and a half. A Vyvanse will keep me up for almost two days straight. Regular adderall and concerta are nearly as strong. Would not recommend making it a habit.
Am I bipolar? No, but I have ADD.
I was bangin seven grams rocks of addy, cause thats how I roll.
I was on a run that made Buffett, Kravis, PTJ, all them look like droopy-eyed armless children.
Never tried it and I don't have a need for it now, but I can see how I would have been tempted during my analyst stint....some days were brutal, but I got good at letting my mind "go numb" and was able to perform menial / boring tasks for hours on end with only some caffeine in the system.
What are some of legal alternatives ) to adderall (the ones I can buy without faking for a prescription)?
Personally have never tried it. However, during undergrad I remember coming out of a test and hearing that a good number of people took it to study. Since these were some of the guys that I looked up to were always on point with their shit, I was let down.
Different strokes for different folks.
Higher level thinking is severely hampered by adderall or any other drug such as caffeine. Sure, you can produce a shit ton of work with good focus, but if it's crap than who the hell cares? Good writing, or good anything, takes days and even weeks of writing and rewriting with a fresh mindset.
If you want to sit down and memorize 100 words than that's great but if you want to produce good, original material than adderall probably isn't a good idea.
Plus, who the hell wants to rely on stimulants so they can become a robot and live a life just to please others and get the shiniest new toy? If I have to use stimulants to be "better" than someone then screw it.
Do you have proof adderral hampers higher-level thinking? It helps you focus better and you're able to focus at the task on hand but if you want to focus on the 'bigger picture' its also possible. But, to each his own.
Agree with the last paragraph.
Happy Friday!
Jack Kerouac wrote the entire manuscript of "On the Road" in one 60 hour, speed-fueled burst. So I am not sure its fair to say that you cant be creative on these types of drugs. That said, they are not for me...and I have tried most of them including Addie. I think everyone is either an "uppers person" or a "downers person" and for me speed makes me extremely anxious and extremely depressed the next day.
I would describe them as performance enhancing drugs, in every sense of the phrase.
All the people commenting on here that it dampers higher level thinking, decreases quality of work, etc have clearly never taken it before...
I have no idea how you guys study on Addie... that stuff kills my brain and my memory retention blows two days later... I remember once trying to remember the crap i did in this higher level accounting course for a final exam and to this day, no joke, i have no idea what was on that exam because i was addie'd up.
I found some legal substitutes that are pretty helpful to keep focus and get that productivity feeling.
First, hit up wal-mart... go to the pharma section, and get caffeine pills.... no joke it'll be the best $4.58 ever spent.. they have kept me off Addie and I can finally retain what the hell I do.
Second, go to a GNC and pick up either: Lipo 6 Black or Hydroxycut... no joke, those two really get things pumping and you will not be awkward and retarded when leaving work. You can also lose weight during the process but the unhealthy way.
Third, metabolism control and Vitamin B concentrate pills... i don't remember which brand produces these, but daiiimmm they work like a charm.... its weird how focus is so correlated with metabolism activity. All you need it to be is consistent and you'll be golden.
I remember one time i was responsible for finding some mistakes on the books and it was 9pm, and i had a lot of docs to go through, i popped an addie cause i was fucked, and i worked all the way unitl 7am, until my brain was literally burned out... I was driving home for a shower and change of clothes and I had suicidal thoughts... I seriously felt like crashing my car and ending my life for no fuckin reason... so weird... I don't recommend Addie if your in any situation that includes your life or someone else's. People who drink and pop at the same time seem to have a great time, but that's fuckin retarded.
I ONLY take Addie for one reason now, and i do it once every 3 months, and that's for stock picks. No joke, every time I addie up and do my portfolio research for my own cash, I'm in the green by 40%+ every three months... That shit is so boring I'd rather jump off a bridge then review equities the long way. It's weird. I caught the semi-conductor bulge last September-October and then the Rare Earth Elements spike on new years... dude... I banked.
By the way, Addie makes you lose weight... just don't munch on junk food before you sleep... just go straight to bed from work or wtv you were doing. Abs will tear out during the weekend.
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VITAMIN B COMPLEX - it's like mental rocket fuel. Add caffeine and 5 hours of sleep, and there's nothing better.
Just make sure not to take it after 3 / 4 PM or you will NOT sleep. Also, prepare for dreams so vivid, it's like waking up from an acid trip, only refreshed. Take the weekends off from it though, to give your system a rest.
I'm gonna bookmark this thread just so I can remember these legal alternatives. I hate prescription pills personally, whether it's for medical uses or recreation, yuck.
are you sure you want to be tellin people you guys are doing drugs? what if your work places have this stuff key loged?
It isn't called "doing drugs" if you'be got a prescription. It's called medication.
I know you guys in IBD don't have much of choice with regards to how you stay mentally focused, but seriously the best thing you can do is exercise if you can fit it in.
+1. Exercise, eat healthy, get a decent amount of sleep and some sunshine.
Btw sugar isn't any less of a drug; it affects neurotransmitters and it is addictive.
I suspect exercise and sex fit your definition of drug, too...
This is pathetic. Adderall is a drug plain and simple.
You want to get ahead? Work hard.
Nope
alcohol is a drug too, idiots. and it's much worse for you than adderall. so stop throwing around the word "drug" as if it automatically makes something terrible
You think drinking is worse for you than speed? Adderall is controlled release amphetamines and is known to be neurotoxic in the long term. Just google it for gods sake.
Making it a part of your study/work routine over a long period of time is terrible for your body and brain.
Source on this? I find this hard to believe. Abusing amphetamines is one thing, but adderall taken as prescribed is not "known" to be neurotoxic.
I've had good success with piracetam and a choline source... Memory/concentration/ clarity of thought were all noticeably improved.
Probably stating the obvious here, but I feel like there's less of an ethical issue when the drugs/nootropics aren't detrimental to your health. Thankfully, there are quite a few supplements w/cognitive enhancing properties that are perfectly safe.
Btw, Im really surprised nobody here is on Modafinil. Shit must be perfect for those 80-90 hour work weeks
Anyone who has taken adderall in moderation i.e. in emergencies like finals week when you have to study for a exam, turn in some papers etc. will definitely agree that it is A MIRACLE DRUG!
open your book, start studying, and pop one in.. before you know it, your entire world revolves around that book ur studying, nothing else matters!!! I dont take it recreationally, took it when i was in college only when i really needed it, so maybe once or twice a semester. HOWEVER i have met people who take it on a daily basis and they are moody and depressed...
honestly if you have never tried it then you shouldnt be posting ur opinion here
Concerta.
econ building healthy relationships with people will also bring a steady supply of feel-good and otherwise useful chemicals, but it takes too much effort, compared to things like sugar, caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, and drugs that offer instant gratification.
academic steroids.
Anyone doing ADHD drugs in London?
I've had a prescription for over 3 years and take very low doses (cut the 5mg pills in half) as needed to stay sharp. The effect is similar to coffee minus the jitters or crash (at least for me). Effect lasts about 4 hours. I haven't experienced any of the side effects mentioned above except for the occasional difficulty sleeping if I take it too late (duh). I don't mean to sound like a pusher, but I honestly feel it has improved my life. Before I started taking it I was an average to below average analyst at a non-MBB consulting firm. I'm now on the deal side of a PE mega fund and more than holding my own. My problem was always lack of concentration and I really feel like Adderall has released my true potential. My advice for people would be to give it a shot at LOW does if you feel like your problem is one of concentration during regular working hours. I would be careful of using it recreationally or to work through your natural need to sleep.
When I worked on the floor of a BB, I'd say that maybe 25% of the traders took addys daily.
I've got a load of ritalin ready for my final exams this summer and I had a load of modafil last summer. They don't seem to do much so far, I think i need up the dosage. I've jsut got them off people with a prescription (in case of ritalin) or dodgy online pharmacies (Modafil). I've heard adderall not that common here in UK as doctors don't tend to prescribe it.
I'm wondering how to go about getting a prescription for these things next year when I'm out of uni and in the big wide world. I'll be working for a pharma consultancy firm so I'm hoping their clients give out freebies.....plus I'll have private health insurance so maybe private doctors will be more favorable to prescribe what I want rather than your bog standard NHS GP. I doubt both of these however.
i have never taken it. i usually use 5 hour energy. they work really well for me. my friends have taken it though and i usually get the same grade as them on tests.
i have never taken it. i usually use 5 hour energy. they work really well for me. my friends have taken it though and i usually get the same grade as them on tests.
i have never taken it. i usually use 5 hour energy. they work really well for me. my friends have taken it though and i usually get the same grade as them on tests.
wtf is wrong with my posts. everything is doubled....
wtf is wrong with my posts. everything is doubled....
i just popped a xany bar...these asian markets are a bit unsettled tonight and some pharmacological assistance is neccesary...
I would recommend using it very occasionally so it doesn't lose its effect...last thing you want is a tolerance for it. I also like to use it on days off so I can study for the GMAT and plow through various books.
http://eveningpsychiatrist.blogspot.com/2010/01/adderall-neurotoxicity-…
there's no proof that adderall is neurotoxic (it may be), but it looks like alcohol is definitely neurotoxic:
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/10report/chap02e.pdf
[quote=Argonaut]http://eveningpsychiatrist.blogspot.com/2010/01/adderall-neurotoxicity-…
there's no proof that adderall is neurotoxic (it may be), but it looks like alcohol is definitely neurotoxic:
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/10report/chap02e.pdf[/quote]
Do you mean the evidence is mixed?
I am not sure what exactly you are trying to clarify.
perhaps you are confused about
the conversation my post was a continuation of discussed therapeutic doses, not toxic.
I still think the bull ring in the nose is freaking hilarious
^ no conclusive evidence. That is Phillip Morris lawyer language. This reminds me of the steriod debate circa 1970.
LOL -- it's funny that you're comparing my statement to "Phillis Morris lawyer language." What I'm trying to point out, is that often times you have evidence on both sides of an issue, so it's not correct to say "there's no evidence for x" just because not all studies support x. Finding out the "truth" of anything is incredibly difficult. In fact, 80% of epidemiology studies are not replicable. So, in the end, we really don't know, it could go one way or the other, right?
UFOinsider, on second thought, I think you were accusing the author of that blog post of "Phillip Morris lawyer language," in which case, I retract my statement, lol.
+1 for being a cool dude
never taken addie and never will. know lots of people who took it in school and who take it for work (mostly IB). i take pride in the fact that i have been able to achieve what i have without taking it or any other "performance enhancing" drugs. especially considering how many people i compete against on a daily basis who take it.
Adderall is is miracle pill that has changed my life. My work productivity has sky rocketed, and i just cant thank my doctor enough for recommending it to me. I guarantee that if anyone takes this ocassionally ( NOT EVERYDAY!!) you will be able to get that huge boost in productivity when it matters most. Speak to your physicians about getting a script; do not acquire adderall illegally as it may come back to bite you!
love ya addie!!
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Adderall Everywhere? (Originally Posted: 06/12/2015)
I recently read (link inside post) that adderall is very common among analysts. Some have said it has become the legal cocaine for bankers.
Is adderall prevalent on Wall Street. If so, does the positive effect of being more productive out weigh the negative side effect of the prescription drug? ArticleAdderall is not common, and is a really stupid idea. If you feel like you need to turn to drugs in order to do you job, do yourself a favor, quit the job and look for something that you enjoy.
I don't have a FT offer yet, but I know that Adderall use among students in colleges, mine in particular, is especially prevalent. I would really not be surprised at all if it is very common among analysts.
I'm not sure what that quote is from, I don't think the article link is working for me. That said, those people who feel that way have some other serious issues that they should probably work on; starting with not working where they are anymore. If you need to 100% disassociate yourself from a job working in an office environment with what are, generally, made up and arbitrary rushed deadlines you should probably take a step back.. and Valium would probably serve you better.
If you're going to go that route, I'd much rather prefer Modafinil.
Modafinil is where it's at http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/how-fighter-pilots-stay-sharp-20131…
Adderall is great. I have a prescription, don't really need it, but it just makes you focus in a lot more. Really no downsides to it at all.
Doesn't Adderall have withdrawal effects though?
This is correct. Any psychological issues experienced by analysts is entirely their own. It has nothing to do with Adderall.
I've only really heard of students using it in college to cram for a test and study for 3 days straight.
I've heard good and bad. The issue I have with Adderall and the nootropics counterparts is what real long-term studies have been done? People are downing these pills like candy every single day, what will they look like, be like, think like, etc. in 30-40 years? That's what I'm curious about, and also the reason why I'll never take one.
I get what you're saying but I feel like you could say that about any prescription drug that hasn't been around for over 20-30 years.
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Who uses Adderall when you have Cocaine lying around. But nahh, its not prevalent among top analysts, but somewhat prevalent among bad analysts.
Also, it should be noted that this study was based on "roughly two dozen" subjects. How on earth does that have enough credibility to get published anywhere?
Also, agreed with theteam above. These questions seem juvenile and who cares. Sounds like a bunch of kids in school who think banking's so cool and sweet and just want to brag about how "hardcore" it is. Frankly, if you need adderall or whatever you're a hack and you should be doing something else.
Addy is not as prevalent as this fluff article suggests. They make it sound like the bullpen is packed with tweakers.
I've only used it twice in a year, both times for all nighters on very important deals. That's less than I did in college. Some people use it more often. Some people are prescribed and use it every day. They are ok. No one really notices. It's not like we're railing lines of the stuff in the bathroom. It's a non issue.
I agree...Adderall is the best in terms of getting work done. I live in NYC and most of the people I know who work on Wall Street do take it. It's also pretty easy to get here in NYC...and it is better than coke in that the effects last long and you can get it legally.
Adderall: I am prescribed Adderall XR (extended release) for ADD. Whether or not this is a real disorder isn't really my question to answer, but I just wanted to stipulate that I am taking with legally and with the approval of multiple physicians. Typically, I take a 15 milligram daily dosage. When taken in the morning regularly, the consumer experiences increased focus and attention to detail, less distraction and desire to recreate (check social media, blogs, etc.). Appetite is significantly suppressed unless the dose is very small (5 mg). If you take a larger dose (30-60 mg XR), you can reasonably expect to be able to function at a high level throughout the night and into the next day. If you attempt to do this consecutively, however, you will be much less able to perform, and you'll experience a very unpleasant, strung-out exhaustion. Additionally, taking Adderall for an extended period or in high doses can make the user feel much less emotional, and more aggressive (think Patrick Bateman).
Modafinil: While this is not quite such an area of expertise, I have consumed it as a performance enhancing drug. The thing about moda and other nootropics is that they usually work best in conjunction with one another. My friend, a high-performing college student at a prestigious university, has a well-researched regimen of nootropics. They tend to work in more subtle ways than adderall, and only the stronger forms (e.g. Artvigil) can you keep awake for an extended period without sleep. Unlike Adderall, moda and other nootropics do not suppress creativity. In fact, many nootropics allegedly boost creative thinking.
Cocaine: Don't take coke as an agent of wakefulness or focus. While it certainly wakes you up, it makes you more fidgety and hyper than anything, and you certainly won't be able to work in the same human computer manner as with Adderall. If you want it to help you stay focused as you get drunk off your ass, it's pretty decent, but it's not going to help you at work.
Pre-workout/Workout Supplements: Not that there are many people who claim to use these to boost work performance, but I've heard of students using these to simply stay up many hours past the point of exhaustion. My workout partner is sometimes unable to sleep for up to twelve hours after a few scoops of his pre-workout, but his results are atypical.
Adderall is creating a Brave New Workplace (Originally Posted: 04/30/2015)
There is no better place than WSO to ask this - are psychostimulants gradually becoming mandatory workplace drug in the US? Americans work longer hours and take fewer vacations than most others in the developed world. And God knows people in finance get worked hard, especially juniors.
Personally, I can’t get my hands on them here in (German-speaking) Europe, but I would love to see what the hype is all about. My closest experience to this stuff: pre-workout supplements. But how do adults persuade doctors into prescribing them the drug?! Here, they are almost impossible to get even for the kids who might “need” them; doctors prefer to look for the underlying issue that is causing the child distress - not in the child's brain but in the child's social context.
While in sports, doping is constrained by regulation and ideas about fairness, no such constraints exist in the workplace.
What do you monkeys say, why not add Addy/Ritalin/etc. to energize, focus and limit that annoying waste of time — sleep?
bigthink.com/ideafeed/adderall
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ARuYdxE06Qg
Never seen anyone use addies unless they actually were prescribed to do so.
And people don't do it, because lack of sleep is horrible for you. If you are having issues with doing shit, you don't need drugs, you need to figure out your life.
I use to be prescribed the stuff. The problem is once you get past 8-10 hours (particularly on addy or vyvanse) your brain goes into a heavy fog-like state. You still won't be able to sleep yet but you also won't be very productive. I stopped taking them because I could work much longer without taking them.
The problem is, can you be as focused as you were before taking adderall or it creates dependence? (I have read that creates dependence).
This 'hard' nootropics are 'dangerous' in that aspect (and also the side effects of it), I think it would be better to take other softer nootropics to use in the long run (as alcar, citicoline, caffeine+theanine/taurine...).
Adderall CAN create dependence just like any narcotic stimulant, though it's not like cocaine IIRC because it does not effect the brain's dopamine receptors (which control feelings of pleasure, euphoria, etc.). It's likely more a problem in very high doses or off-label uses.
Don't freaking do it unless you absolutely have to.
Stimulants are prescribed medically to treat ADD/ADHD and sleep disorders such as narcolepsy. Adderall, Vyvanse, and similar drugs are amphetamine-based stimulants. They're obviously safer than off-the-street speed when taken as prescribed, but you're still taking about something FAR more potent than caffeine or energy drinks. This is all coming from first-hand experience, not just head knowledge.
The drugs can help people with ADD/ADHD concentrate better throughout the day, as the drugs improve alertness and focus. They can also help people with neurological sleep disorders stay awake during the day when they'd otherwise suddenly fall asleep or feel extremely drowsy. Side effects are usually modest when used this way and in prescribed amounts. If you don't have the issues described above, taking the stimulants off-label can have some nasty side effects such as high blood pressure, irritable bowel, racing heart, difficulty sleeping, and major crashes/brain fog when they wear off. It would be like drinking a shit-ton of caffeine all at once. I actually quit Vyvanse despite being badly ADHD because the side effects were too intense (note: many people prescribed Vyvanse handle the side effects just fine).
I knew people in college. who brought Adderall black market and used them for marathon studying sessions before exams; apparently this is somewhat common nowadays.
I've seen a lot, most if not all, of the junior people I've worked with over the past 5-10 years just munch down any type of prescription stimulants-provigil seemed to be a popular one and recently there's another one that's something like pro-provigil that they seem to love. Basically a few people get a scrip from their doc, which isn't hard from certain doctors especially because so many of them were diagnosed with bullshit ADD (and yes, I know ADD/ADHD are real but it's way overdiagnosed) as kids and doctors were handing them out like candy and they can carry the diagnosis into adulthood. They then give them out to everyone else. And they'll act a bit like freaks when they're on it. They'll work straight for 24 hours but I can't imagine it's very good for you, and I'm not some super clean living person by any means. It just doesn't seem like a good idea.
Everything in moderation. I used them--Vyvanse, a better version of Adderall--a day or 2 a week for about a month maybe a year ago. I needed them to absolutely demolish a work assignment. It's definitely not something that should be taken on a regular basis unless prescribed. They also have diminishing marginal utility--my buddy used them in medical school and he needed to pop several pills to get the same impact that I could get on a half a pill.
But in moderation Vyvanse is a wonder drug. I destroyed work like I had never destroyed it before. Couldn't sleep well and lost about 10 lbs (which was a good thing for me). One of the funny side effects is that when the drug peaks in your system in a given day you feel like you could conquer the world--you feel super awesome and it made me friendlier than usual. I was dating this super hot chick WAY out of my league around the time and I recall sending her the gayest text message that I would never send in my right mind (it was mushy and cuddly--makes me sick to think about). Let's just say that mushy and cuddly men on date 3 are not sexy. I blame Vyvanse for costing me my dream girl.
LOL@ that story, and Go Hokies! (VT alum). That feeling of invincibility is completely true, particularly when you first start or bump up in dosage.
damn. cool story :D
i get that they might be making problems over the long-term. obviously, some people should really not use them because of the side effect or if they are inclined to get addicted to things. and i know that adderall ruined lives of some.
i think that we are supposed to build up our character and overcome difficulties. greatness comes from overcoming the adversity. no magic pill can help with this. but damn, they are powerful. i think that many people who are against them are a bit scared of them as well. what about just using them to get an edge once we are in the top league already?
Surprised no one has mentioned the old addy-induced dick shrinkage... Don't use it if you are planning on a female seeing you naked, unless she is one of those broads you see in class chewing on pencil erasers. This also makes it a very double-edged sword for recreational use.
just made my night. the "mushy and cuddly" part lol
Can't see psychostimulants being useful for anyone other than analysts and the odd associate.
Don't do it, it does more harm than good in the long term. There shouldn't be any reason why you cannot get used to sleeping few hours and hustle through work. Organization and stamina are two things that are learned in difficult training environments as IB. Its part of the experience, don't lose on it.
Was about to leave a comment when you wrote yours.
/\ echoing his words
It's like that in Europe because over there they don't try and solve health or social problems with magic pills, it's an America thing. Stay off of them, they create dependence like anything else and more importantly as mentioned above they have an awful after-effect which can make it difficult to do anything at all, including sleep.
should work
Almost everyone I knew took adderall during midterms/finals and did well. I sort of regret not using that approach. However, I like to think I learned something extra by not just resorting to adderall. I could also just be saying this to mask my bitterness from not taking it. Once you're past a certain age you shouldn't really be using that stuff anyways. All my friends who were science majors described it as more-or-less 'legal speed'
I don't think I went through a single finals period during college without crushing some variant of Adderall, and then used it again while studying/taking the GMAT. Maybe it's a placebo effect, but you definitely feel in the zone (even better when mixed with nicotine). Also great for recreational use.
Nothing to contribute. But OP, excellent title choice.
I couldn't imagine being prescribed adderall for daily use, but have found great utility in using it from time to time. You can't eat on it and you're awkward as fuck but you can get shit done. As said, you can develop significant tolerance after 2-3 pills or days, so its not something you want a daily prescription for because it won't do anything after a week. You definitely can't sleep on them, but it's not like you want to anyways. I think it would be tough to get addicted to, unless you're prone to addiction. No real euphoria and you feel weird.
In any case, I thrive on stimulants and without them I'd have no social life.
Great for studying, crap for actual work. Especially in situations where multi tasking is required or speaking with clients.
Interesting that seemingly no traders (those who would actually benefit from stimulants) have replied to this thread yet.
Probably because they've already assembled their nootropic stacks and are laughing to themselves at junior bankers destroying their own health with poison like Adderall.
don't get why people don't just take racemic amphetamine basically same shit but 10x cheaper
I know it is wrong to ask, but how do monkeys outside of US get any kind of amphetamines? Any remotely reliable website out there, which have a system how to deliver to Asia, Russia, Europe, etc?
Doctors can't prescribe amphetamines in most of the world... They would be rotating you on various antidepressants and crap which has no good effect on healthy people.
Any good alternatives to this stuff other than coffee / caffeine tablets? Or some solid stacks?
Even stacking legal nootropics is hard and expensive in most of the world.
1) Adderall is very useful for me personally. Never really had a problem with it. 2) If, in fact, it's 'taking over the workplace', methinks it's because WSO has like 100 fake prescription drug posts on the site at a given time
Coffee works just fine.
Adderall isn't as popular as it used to be. Most people I know are on provigil or nuvigil. Much cleaner, smoother feeling with no crash. Just an FYI- a ton of people take some kind of supplement but won't be the first to admit it.
1) I don't have ADD and got a prescription pre-senior year of college after acquiring "a taste" from friends. It was quite easy to get.
Me: "Oh yeah Mrs. Psychiatrist I have always been able to do well in school b/c I was smart and could just pass tests without studying. But after my internship this summer I realized that I couldn't concentrate on Excel spreadsheets or do work my boss assigned me."
Mrs. Psychiatrist: "Oh dear have you though about any type of medication?"
Me: "Uh not really I really don't like taking medicine even for like a cold or headache. But I would be open to trying it."
Mrs: "Ok, here try some vyvanse."
2) When you have to crush work that doesn't involve too much creativity, it is incredibly helpful. Spreadsheets, slide decks, etc. Way too many haters here in my opinion. However if I have a meeting or phone call I definitely will not take it as I am awkward as fuck and I feel like it hinders me intellectually.
3) Mostly I use it for CFA studying. I mean c'mon how else am I going to study for 10 hours/day on the weekend after a long week at work? Just saying . . .
I didn't have it in college but got a prescription when I started working full time as well, using this exact script. I was started on Concerta for a month, absolutely crushed work, and then after finishing my trial month got started on a second trial month with Adderall to see what worked better. Once I ramped up to the full dose, Adderall turned me into an anxious crackhead with overactive adrenal glands. I lost almost 20 lbs, couldn't sleep, joints were super dry and sore, had heart palpitations and developed crippling social anxiety. Still crushed it at work though, my boss wrote me the nicest message I've ever gotten from a superior talking about how sick this report I wrote was. Looking back he might have just been being extra nice because drugs were causing my life to fall apart.
Anyways, after the adderall trial I decided that heavy supplements weren't for me and now just eat well, try to sleep enough, and do mindfulness / focus-oriented meditation. Kind of want to renew the prescriptions for GMAT studying though and just avoid daily use. I'm not aware of any colleagues who use it, but wouldn't be surprised if several do. Many of the first set of kids who were prescribed since youth are now in the workplace, and the whole "adult ADD" campaign has been going strong for the past couple of years.
Thanks for great comments guys!
Does anyone know if ADD prescription shows up anywhere during background checks etc.? Is there any potential downside or complication... e.g. if an employer or somebody were to look into your medical record (if they even do that)?
I had a close friend who went the med school route who was badly addicted to Adderall. As in to the point where when he couldn't get a supply he ended up wrecking his life.
Asides from that, HIPAA prevents your employers from looking into that unless you give permission. I can't imagine what job in finance would ask for that.
After trying it on my own though, I do have to say that it's a very powerful force amplifier potentially.
When amphetamines are prescribed for ADHD, it is a very low dose over a long time until there is little stimulant effect. The ADHD patient gets a new baseline with slightly increased focus and little else changed. Trust me, that's a life saver, and yes, it increases working IQ---presuming you have ADHD. For all practical purposes, Amphetamines have an awful impact on work productivity. The drug causes people to feel like they are smart when they are not.
If I'm gonna abuse my health, it's gonna be the weekend
Adderall isn't creating a brave new anything... you seem to be implying that its becoming increasingly prevalent in the workplace, but you don't provide any evidence to suggest this is the case. Having worked on Wall Street for a fair amount of time, I can count Adderall users I've come across on one hand. These are people I've known well enough to see them do a variety of other drugs recreationally, but not Adderall for work. The biggest factor in this I'd say is that there really is no reason to use it. In college you have to stay up finals week to finish papers and cram for exams. The professional world is quite different.
While I do agree with 90% of your post. How often do you interact with young bankers who continuously work 80-90 hour weeks? In my opinion the younger generations, the ones who used Addy in college, would be prone to use Addy in the workplace.
Adderall is very easy to get in the United States, and it is also very over prescribed. It is no surprise that we live in a capitalist state here, and I think you get to see the heart of it when trying to get high demand pharma products such as this. A lot of Doctors today really don't care about you when it comes to prescribing this stuff. You come in and give the normal spiel about not being able to focus for extended periods of time, lengthened fatigue, bla bla and there you go. It is quite simple actually. I do however believe that it is a major problem with today's youth, as I can speak from experience. There are college students in my fraternity who were prescribed 50mg vyvanse as well as 30mg Adderall. How is that allowed right? I knew one girl who was prescribed to take one 20mg Adderall tablet 5 times a day. Yes... 5....
When people refer to the potential negative health effects of Adderall (which are relatively unknown), I think they are referring to those people above. The tired banker who takes a couple small dose Adderall tablets every week or so shouldn't have a problem, in my mind. Obviously, I am not a doctor... The kids who have been prescribed massive amounts of Adderall daily since they were in elementary school are really the ones who are taking part in an ongoing experiment.
As far as people comparing Adderall to caffeine, that is absurd. They are not comparable at all, and the effects are quite different. Adderall has a "tunnel-vision" effect, if you will, that is non-existent with caffeine. Another question I have been wondering myself is that for those who say that you just "drink a lot of caffeine" when you did not get much sleep, do you really think several cups of coffee (with milk, sugar and all that in it) is really much better for your health than taking a small dose of Adderall? For most people who do not have ADD / ADHD, a small dose of Adderall is all you need to get you going. It is an interesting thing to consider... Is slugging those Red Bulls and Monster drinks any better for your health than taking a small 10mg Adderall tablet? Who knows, but it is worth considering.
As a college student with experience working as an intern at a BB:
Adderall is a school drug. If I have a big problem set to solve or a really long paper to write (personally prefer Vyvanse for papers and Addy for problem sets) in a short period of time I'll pop the pill and crunch it out. It's great. I'll also use it recreationally to go out at night if I've been drinking all day.
That being said, I only use it as a college student to support my lifestyle. I drink a lot, I don't sleep a lot, and adderall allows me to skip classes and get drunk with my friends and still get straight A's. This past summer, I refused to do adderall for work. It sets a bad precedent, and I would never even consider it. I've known friends who are dependent on it to do papers or homework, and I would never want that to happen for my career.
If you're not prescribed adderall, it's great for last minute studying or finishing the assignment you didn't do the night before because you were out drinking. For work, it's a dumb idea and not worth it. Long term effects of Addy are not worth the short term gains and potential dependence.
First of all, I do not have ADD, ADHD, or any other variant thereof, but I do have an Adderall prescription and have have it for almost 10 years. I began taking the stuff in grad school when I needed to cram for exams and it worked like a charm (there is absolutely no comparison to coffee). The biggest downside was my inability to fall asleep. I realize the point of the stuff is to keep you awake and focused, but eventually you come down from the high at which point your heart is still beating at a pace well above its normal resting pace and you become extremely irritable - a combination that is not so pleasant. For those reasons, I decided against using it in the workplace except in extremely rare instances (I think I've probably only used it 4 or 5 times in my 7 years of employment); however, I do find it extremely useful for social situations. I don't have social anxiety, but I also don't really enjoy being in overly social situations, especially where I need to interact with people I don't know very well. For that reason, I do tend to use the drug a few times a month on the weekends as it does make feel a little (lot) chattier and helps me to take a little more pleasure in the company of others. I am also fully aware of people who become EXTREMELY annoying and who won't shut the hell up when they're on the stuff. I try to be cognizant of that myself when I'm using it so I know when to pull the reigns back if necessary. Easier said than done.
First time commenting here, long time Ritalin/Adderall/vyvance user. I was prescribed ritalin in 3rd-5th grade and hated the way it made me feel, so I got off of it. Got back on in my freshman year of college with Adderall XR and then tried IR in all different dosages. These stimulants can be a powerful tool, but it must only be used in the right situation. You wouldn't use a sledge hammer where a carpenter's hammer is needed, and vice versa. This stuff is most useful when you are doing repetitive/boring tasks and should mostly be used when it's an independent task, as the anti-social nature of this drug can hurt your reputation. Lots of water, lots of deodorant, and a distraction free environment are a must.
All this being said, it's very similar to steroids or other performance enhancing drugs. If you take someone with only God-given talent and give them this, they will do great. If you take someone who can outwork the person with God-given talent and give them this, they will do great. But when you take someone with God-given talent, that is willing to outwork others, and give him this, then you've really got a force multiplier. Schwarzenegger was't the best because he had only steroids, or only god-given genetics, or only an iron will. He was the best because he combined all 3. I'm not sure how this will translate into a 9-5, but at the business school i am at, it is quite prevalent.
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Adderall, dexedrine, vyvanse, ritalin, modafinil... I have been prescribed all of these drugs at one point or another throughout my life. They are all work well just as Dr. Koplewiczs explained above. Currently I am on dexedrine XR and life is great. I was diagnosed with ADHD while in middle school - my grades were poor, I daydreamed constantly, and I got in lots of trouble. ADHD medication turned this around for me and I am very thankful for it.
To be honest though, I really wish I didn't have to take it. Period. There are days I really, really, really don't want to swallow the pill, but I have to just so I can get through my day. I hope this helps you make your decision on whether to start taking them or not.
Such drugs are most effective when you do have an underlying medical condition. If you don't, chances are they will give you unwanted side effects as people mentioned above.
I find it hard to believe that anyone without a learning disability would need one of these drugs for business school. It really isn't that hard and your grades don't matter.
I've never tried any of them but I can see how they might be sort of useful for junior bankers with the repetitive, relatively mindless work and long hours. I can't imagine it being that useful in any other role, especially more senior ones. Whenever people write these articles, they talk to a vocal minority who say its inevitable that we will all use them in the future, but it's totally overblown.
MEDITATE instead :) All these guys do: Business Insider: ceos-who-meditate-2012-5 (cant post link yet)
I would imagine this will start to become much more common as current sophomores and juniors in college start entering the workplace. I just finished my sophomore year at a top midwest university and I can confidently say that out of most kids I know, you are in a very small minority if you are not prescribed to study drugs, or buying them off your friends who are.
With the large course-load that pressed upon many college business majors, it is really the only way to stay competitive academically while still having a social life.
I'm sure that once students my age start analyst positions where work is repetitive and does not require much creativity or problem solving, Adderall/Vyvanse will become commonplace.
Adderall.. how prevalent? (Originally Posted: 05/03/2013)
I guess I'm asking for IBD. Are there a lot of bankers who take adderall (or similar drugs) even when they dont have ADD to get them through the workweek?
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/adderall-0
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/when-i-pull-an-all-nighter-i#comm…
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/blog/adderall-the-intelligence-pill
adderall is the ultimate gateway drug. I have never seen a drug destroy people faster than this thing. However, it is also a hell of a drug. I do not know how it actually works for people withh adhd, but those who take it just because could count the amount of wing flutters a fly makes as it buzzes across the room
"destroy?" sure you arent overreacting?
I have a subjective view, but first hand witnessed two guys go off the deep end because of adderall. One a has a J.D. from top 10 law school but drugs derailed that future, other guy never escaped undergrad. These may be two isolated cases, but never heard of a prolonged adderall use ending in a smooth breakup
correlation /= causation two does not make a trend prolonged adderall use = what people who have prescriptions do (11 percent of school aged children in America, and two thirds of those are have been medicated http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/health/more-diagnoses-of-hyperactivit… ) some people are prone to "going off the deep end" - drug use could exacerbate it or merely be coincident
I know a bunch of people who use it for ADHD for a long time with solid results. But if you're taking it in order to stay up later you are better off going with vyvanse. Vyvanse is longer lasting and doesn't have a the burn out effect of Adderall.
I've heard that Vyvanse is much safer and lasts longer. Never plan to try though.
Vyvanse lasts too long. I could never go to sleep taking that thing, whereas Adderall was fine for me.
dont get dependent on it. if you do, you basically have ADHT.
adderall is fine just don't take ritalin… has the dirtiest high that feels a lot like coke and the crash is brutal too
And I felt guilty about drinking too much coffee... Wait a few years I bet all kinda of side effects are going to come up. Or not.
Just saying, if I can get through work without adderall and you can't either you have ADHD or I'm just a superior human being.
How easy is it actually to get Adderall in the US legally? It's virtually impossible in Europe.
Too easy.
Very common among SA's, from my own experiences.
Dude it's awesome my supplier gives me great prices for addies in NYC I'm getting sooo much work done I havnt sleep for 2 n a half days so far I'm over here eating cheetos
Wow, you're a huge fucking pussy. "Adderall is a hell of a drug?" Jiminy Christmas dude, many young children take that shit daily. You really think a chemical that doctors are comfortable giving to elementary school kids is going to pull the rug out from under you? This is fucking embarrassing to the industry. Grow some stones.
People definitely use adderall, it's hard to say precisely how prevalent it is because it's not like people who are taking it show up to work wearing a shirt with "I'm currently high on illegally obtained pharmaceuticals" printed on the chest. People don't exactly advertise it, you know?
It's usefull if you didn't get much sleep the night before and need to ensure you'll stay awake all day. Personally I've found that its really not all that great - it takes away my edge, makes me a little slower, a little less creative, a little stupider really. It makes me mediocre, but it ensures that I'll be at least serviceable throughout the day. You don't want to take it every single day, but if you went out and got absolutely shithammered the night before and didn't get any sleep or something, it's sometimes worth it to give yourself a chemical boost.
I would say it's pretty common but people tend to keep that information to themselves.
Rick James said crack is a hell of a drug jus pointing that out
I wouldn't agree with that, at least not in the UK.
Adderall during exam time is as prevalent on a uni campus as Ben and Jerry's ice cream is in an Alpha Gamma Delta sorority.
Never used it but from many friends who have, apparently its unreal. I'm talking like 18-20 hour study days of COMPLETE concentration. I don't know anybody (myself included) that could do this without a drug (if you say you can you're either a liar, delusional, or a billionaire with wings by now).
Friends often refer to it as a "hail mary pass", ie if its two days before your exam and you're in a real position to fail, an adderal might be just what you need to ensure an extremely productive two days.
No reason to throw a hail marry in the 1st Quarter tho, lol
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Voluptates eum sit eum voluptas eligendi et eos. Dolores similique mollitia quisquam ullam eius asperiores. Omnis omnis iusto id aut eveniet. Voluptas sapiente provident dolor.
Eius corrupti accusantium fuga repudiandae quam dolorem et. Nemo temporibus possimus dignissimos repudiandae. Est id qui adipisci voluptatem qui nihil dolor. Accusantium voluptatum esse labore qui qui tenetur ab. Qui voluptatibus quis omnis unde tempore ut.
Fugiat doloremque ea modi facere. Doloremque voluptatem reiciendis harum nihil nesciunt. Aut consequatur natus maxime minima recusandae recusandae. Deleniti sequi deleniti minima est accusantium aut nesciunt. Odit et molestiae esse quidem necessitatibus est perferendis. Mollitia blanditiis quia alias voluptatem omnis quos. Autem ducimus et ex aut aut quis.
Sunt alias qui eaque qui voluptas rerum sequi occaecati. Aut et vero similique illo. Voluptatum qui non sequi illo perferendis rem architecto minima.
Labore unde aspernatur voluptatem et. Suscipit voluptates nisi est ducimus eos ut. Mollitia eligendi tempore atque et tempore vero voluptatem.
At asperiores qui nihil repellendus labore. Consequatur necessitatibus rerum sint minima voluptas exercitationem deleniti. Non sint sint suscipit aspernatur facere ut exercitationem. Blanditiis mollitia quod quasi et. Corrupti nulla facilis qui rerum soluta non.
Fuga vero totam labore nisi. Odit ut numquam ab ducimus quis. Commodi ea dolorum illum veritatis optio. Ex necessitatibus beatae quia sint quibusdam vel ut. Ducimus et praesentium tempora qui. At maiores officiis culpa voluptas ipsa. Officia tempora nihil et.
Tempore error maiores quia rerum. Minus voluptas iusto molestiae. Dolorum id beatae quis ut consequatur quasi aspernatur. Dolorem quis et neque necessitatibus vitae.
Nostrum quasi maxime ad aut mollitia. Eum ut officiis corporis fuga qui quo fuga autem. Rerum iusto quos qui vel non ex. Velit labore dolore placeat minima dolorem magnam veniam.
Perferendis dolorum ut libero rerum voluptas laudantium ad. Consequuntur qui harum explicabo. Ullam consequatur unde dolorum molestiae fugit iure quia. Sequi sunt voluptas dolorem sed nihil. Et voluptatem deleniti placeat.
Quis sequi at consequuntur illo neque inventore. Voluptatibus molestias rerum aut aut qui voluptatem nesciunt dignissimos. Provident fugit fugit dolores voluptas. Labore illum nemo error quaerat nihil modi perspiciatis.